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Jennifer Taylor | 10 years ago
This Puppy Is The Last Of A Large Litter, He Was One Of The Only…

This puppy is the last of a large litter, he was one of the only ones who would keep a clean crate/puppy pen. When the ground froze he discovered the practice of eating poo when he was outside in our fenced in yard. He was neutered a week and a half ago and we thought it would be an opportune time to remedy the poo eating issue since we had to leash walk him. He now refuses to poo outside, we do take him out every 1-2 hours and give a high value treat for pottying outside. He will go in his crate immediately after coming in and will immediately eat it. It almost seems that since I won’t allow him to eat what is in the yard he is just going to make his own snack. I will add that he is a very quick learner, he learned sit and down in an evening. He is very driven by treats and praise. He will urinate outside and looks to me for a treat and praise as he is going. He does not like to be in a messy crate, we know almost the moment it is soiled as he barks/whines and we clean it up. He will only poo in his crate, I do tether housetraining pups to me to eliminate the possibility of accidents (I try to set them up for success) and he has not accidents in the house. He will poo in his crate once I have exited the room where his crate is. I of course can smell the moment he goes, I run in the room and catch him eating it. I have gone as far as letting him out to potty in a pen thinking maybe he does not want to potty with an audience, I watch from a nearby slider but have only “caught” him pooing outside twice in a week and a half, both times I was able to deliver praise and a high value treat as soon as he was done. Lastly his crate is appropriately sized for him, it is a wire folding style crate that is just tall enough for him, he has enough room to lay, stretch out and turn around. This is something I would like to rectify as I know it will be a potential problem in a forever home.

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  1. Anonymous

    Your puppy is just being a ……puppy!  Sometimes the art of pet parenting is like the TV show Survivor–Outwit, Outsmart, Outlast.  

    Be diligent in cleaning up after your puppy poo’s. Do not give him the chance to play with or eat poo. Try placing the puppy on a leash when you take him outside to relieve himself, and do not allow him to inspect his poo. Distract him from by calling him to you, and when he responds appropriately, reward him with a treat and verbal encouragement (go crazy and act like he is the BEST PUPPY ON THE PLANET!) and then take him inside before you go back to pick it up.

    If he hates poo’ing on the leash this is where the “Outlast” portion of the program comes into play. You just have to wander around the yard with him until he does it.  

     

    Some have found that adding meat tenderizer or natural additives to the puppy’s food makes a big difference, since these additives cause the stool to have a particularly unappealing smell that will discourage him from eating it. If you cannot immediately clean up the stool, or if there are some old stool piles in your yard, you can spray it with hot pepper sauce or mouth wash. It is  more effective to just clean up after the puppy.

    A good resource for puppy training is The Complete Idiots Guide to Dog Training.  You can check it out of your local library.  Good luck!!

  2. PK Dennis

    Walking helps the bowels move.  How about taking him on a walk when he comes out of his crate, and after he eats his meals.  The walking will get him eliminating and you will have him on a leash to control his movements while you pick up the poop.  This may work faster/better than turning him out in the yard and waiting, or wandering around the yard while he decides if he is going to poop or not.

    It may also be so exciting to be out and about that he forgets he wants to poop inside where he can snack.

    Good luck!

  3. Jennifer Taylor Post author

    Thank you for the suggestions. I actually had given more info in the details when I posted that I am doing all of these. This isn’t a typical housebreaking issue but more of a compulsion to eat stool. The issue of eliminating in his crate began AFTER I restricted him from eating poo outside. In the past year alone I have fostered 30 puppies, all were well on their way to being housetrained when they were adopted. As a board member of a local rescue and seasoned foster I provide support to adoptive families on the subject of house training. My approach to house training is to set a dog up for success eliminating the possibility for accidents and rewarding appropriate elimination. I vary my method according to the dog as not all dogs respond to the same method. I have had great success with training dogs who have come from horrendous living conditions, spending months in their own waste.

  4. Anonymous

    There are products out there to make the poo taste bad and most of them (I believe) have the main ingredient of MSG, which is the same thing as meat tenderizer. Dr. Foster and Smith has a product called Dis-Taste, but I’m sure there are others. If a dose of MSG isn’t harmful, give it a shot!

  5. Brian Downie

    Hello Jennifer. My Great Dane did this and then my Golden Retriever starting doing it. Learned behavior? I agree with Dr. Mag’s suggestions. I taught the leave it command and do not leave them unattended when it is ‘potty time.’ I tried to read a lot of remedies for this issue. What I found was mixed reviews on the food additives to deter the poop eating. I read about nutritional deficits and remedies. What I read and think was going on with mine was most dogs like to keep their play and living areas clean. Sometimes when a mother has a new litter, she will demonstrate this issue to keep the area clean for her pups. I too have a fenced in back yard which doubles as their play area when I cannot take them out in the unfenced area. I taught the leave it command and keep the area clean of feces. Somehow, imo, your dog has associated the crate pooping as safe but then cleans the area since it is his ‘safe spot.’ It took a few weeks to dissuade my dogs from doing this. Still, if I am not diligent about watching over them and keeping the area clean, the issue will persist. Your reaction whether positive or negative outside, may be influencing what the dog believes to be ok so he returns to his ‘safe’ area and only poops when he thinks you are not paying attention (because of your reactoin?) then gobbles the tasty morsel up for maybe cleaning? I found with my dogs when there is an unwanted behavior/issue the best reaction is no reaction. Remember, running to the crate to stop him may be interpreted as him doing something wrong so he tries to ‘destroy’ the evidence. It is learned somehow.

    An anecdote. My very sensitive Great Dane when she was young had what I perceived to be separation anxiety when my wife and I would leave. We would come home and rugs would be chewed, pillows destroyed, etc. I would come in and immediately react, negatively. I posted on here and in short, the response was it was my fault. I was at first offended thinking I was a great doggy parent, but then I thought about it. My Dane associated our leaving with her getting negatively in trouble when we came home. This caused her great stress and her acting out was a reaction to fear and anticipation. I quickly changed my behavior. When I came home I would simply clean up what was destroyed and before leaving I would remove anything I could. I did not react. She would cower in her chair while I cleaned. I simply went about my business without noticing her. When I was done, once she came out of her chair, I acknowledged her and said hello. It was my responsibility to break the association, not the behavior. It took a little time, but we became successful. Now when we leave, we make it no big deal. When we come home, it is not a big deal. She isn’t afraid of us leaving and her ‘just’ getting in trouble when we come home. We no longer come home to destroyed items or a fearful dog. I personified her hiding in her chair with her knowing she did something wrong. Nope. I taught her that when we come home I would yell at her so she anticipated that with great stress and fear.

    Maybe, without knowing it, we teach our dogs to do negative things. The hard part is realizing and accepting it then correcting OUR behavior.

    Good Luck!!!

  6. Brian Downie

    ” The issue of eliminating in his crate began AFTER I restricted him from eating poo outside.” Maybe he learned it is not ok to poop outside?

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Pawbly | 10 years ago
I Have A 10 Month Old Chihuahua That Was Recently Diagnosed With An Autoimmune Disease…

I have a 10 month old chihuahua that was recently diagnosed with an autoimmune disease. I have a hard time getting her to eat, so I was wanting to try a vitamin or supplement. Any suggestions?

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  1. Jana

    Which autoimmune disease is it? What treatment is she on? What food are you offering?

  2. andrea Lee Roundfield

    When my pets, recently my kitty, have little to no desire for food e.g. prescribed food, we will try a highly favored broth (from chicken soup or the oil from tuna.

  3. tammy kleckner

    I am not sure but when it comes to bunnies I used critical care 

  4. Christina Chambreau

    Injectable Vitamin B by your veterinarian (and they can show you how to give it) is a safe and often effective appetite stimulant. 

    Wysong makes a supplement that often tempts animals to eat that is really a total food source with many vitamins and probiotics – PDG (Pre-Di-Gest) powder. 

    If you have a holistic pet store within driving range, visit them for healthy treats and vitamins.

    If you need to order on-line, try the Canine Plus by VetriScience (my site has the link). 

    The best way to get dogs to eat is to feed them real food.  You can try almost any people food, especially proteins like chicken, fish, beef, eggs, cottage cheese. Vegetables, cooked or raw, are good. For nutrition they need to be pureed in the blender, but as a treat they can be any size. right now do not worry about balance, just getting her started eating again. Begin to read articles (my site, Dr. Becker at Mercola, breeders who have fed raw for generations, Dr. hofve for a few) about feeding a fresh food diet (just as we eat a variety of fresh food, hopefully sustainably or organically raised) to improve health in general. 

    Since you did not tell us what type of autoimmune your pup has, there may be blisters in the mouth that are preventing eating, so then the above suggestions would be different. 

    Second, I
    strongly recommend finding an integrative veterinarian with whom to work. This
    is a person trained in many different approaches, including using conventional
    drugs only when absolutely needed. Working with one can increase the chance
    that your cherished companion can live a long and healthy life after recovering
    from this current problem (with holistic approaches most auto immune diseases can be completely resolved, but if not, there are dozens of ways to help her stay happy and fairly healthy). There are good ones and great ones, and a few
    homeopathic veterinarians will consult by phone or email. You can go to the web
    sites for each type of holistic practice and use their referral list to find
    one near to you. Many practitioners are members of only one or two of the
    organizations, so you do need to go to every site to find who is near you:


    1. Wide range of other treatments: http://www.AHVMA.org, American Holistic Veterinary
    Medical Association and http://www.civtedu.org.   
    2. Homeopathic veterinarians (these can often help you by phone if no other
    holistic practitioners are nearby that you like): http://www.theAVH.org and http://www.DrPitcairn.com.

    3. Chiropractic and Osteopathic – http://www.animalchiropractic.org;
    http://equineosteopathy.org/ (they
    treat dogs, too)
    4. TCVM (Acupuncture and Chinese medicine): http://www.IVAS.org,
    http://www.aava.org & http://www.TCVM.com

    5. Herbal
    http://www.VBMA.org

    Since you do not list your state, I cannot be more specific, but you can look at the links page on my site or email me for help. My article on selecting and working with a holistic veterinarian will help you choose one. 

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Pawbly | 10 years ago
Hello People Of Pawbly, Specifically Friendly Vets.
My Dog Is Not Doing Well And I Need…

Hello people of Pawbly, specifically friendly vets.
My dog is not doing well and I need some advice.

I just moved from a house with a doggie door that allowed for bathroom time, any time. Now I am working on a schedule and trying to get into a routine with my pup (2 y/o red heeler/terrier mix). For the most part it’s been fine. I have him in the kennel when I’m at work from 6-2 Monday through Friday and only live 5 minutes from work. I take him out right before I leave And right after. He sleeps with me at night.

Last Friday, I took him out before going to bed, waited forever but no number 2. I woke up the next morning and there was crap- a LOT of crap- more than I thought caninely possible, all over the floor of my room. Normal color, texture. I blamed myself for not waiting long enough and let it go.

So last night, same routine, didn’t crap. I ran him around for 20 minutes trying to jostle whatever loose. Nada. So I figured he could wait until morning. I was awakened at 3 am by horrible, hot steaming dog land mines all over My bedroom floor again. Same color and texture as normal.

So I out him in his crate For the rest of the night Because I think since he’s a den animal He won’t go crappin it up in there. I take him out before work And come home to a crime scene.

In his crate, he is huddled in the corner, and this wave of old sour milk or something hits me and there are puddles of yellow liquid that I’m assuming is crap since I didn’t smell bike and there are other, little piles of similarly colored solid poo elsewhere. He hadn’t eaten since the land mines the night before.

I take him outside and he pisses and squirts out a little more diarrhea and keep straining for another 2 minutes but nothing else comes out. There is a little blood now on his backside from straining so hard.

I googled it, and it said right now it’s acute, if it persists, to take him in. He seems in good spirits except was ashamed when I came in and as I was cleaning up after him. I was going to feed him but Google told me not to for the day.

I should also note: at my previous residence I lived with an elderly relative who used her early stage dementia to feed him whatever the Hell she wanted. “Oh I forgot you told me not to”- Fritos. Peanut butter sandwiches, leftover foods. And now he is only eating the expensive all natural food I give him.

So I don’t know what to do. Is it an adjustment period to the new place (only been here 2 weeks) is it the change of diet? Is it my bathroom schedule? Is it stress from being alone all day?

Any advice would be fantastic. Thanks guys and gals.

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Pawbly | 10 years ago
Why Is My Losing Weight,and Refusing To Eat.I Have Been Feeding Her Scrambled Eggs And…

why is my losing weight,and refusing to eat.I have been feeding her scrambled eggs and rice hamburger mix for supper.if we let her out she eats dirt.She acts like she is starving all the time,and her pooh is black.

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Pawbly | 10 years ago
She Acts Hungry All The Time,and Her Pooh Is Black.She Is 17 Years Old. If…

She acts hungry all the time,and her pooh is black.She is 17 years old. If we let her out she eats dirt.Can any one please help me get her on the right path to good health.I cant afford to go to the vet,im not working right now.Please help us if you can,thank you

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  1. Christina Chambreau

    I want to agree with Dr. Krista that most veterinarians (and in my experience especially integrative ones) are more than willing to work with you being out of work. What skills can you offer the veterinarian (not necessarily just for the clinic – maybe she needs her house cleaned, or you are a skilled carpenter) in exchange for the veterinary care?

    I would look for integrative veterinarians as they may be able to help your cat with some home care treatments you can do to help with any of their treatments.  Learning Reiki will give you a tool to help your cat do better with any suggested treatments. 

    You can
    go to the web sites for each type of holistic practice and use their referral
    list to find one near to you. Many practitioners are members of only one or two
    of the organizations, so you do need to go to every site to find who is near
    you:
    1. Wide range of other treatments: http://www.AHVMA.org, American Holistic Veterinary
    Medical Association and http://www.civtedu.org.   
    2. Homeopathic veterinarians (these can often help you by phone if no other
    holistic practitioners are nearby that you like): http://www.theAVH.org and
    http://www.DrPitcairn.com.
    3. Chiropractor – http://www.animalchiropractic.org
    4. TCVM (Acupuncture and Chinese medicine): http://www.IVAS.org,
    http://www.avaa.org & http://www.TCVM.com

    5. Herbal
    http://www.VBMA.org

    6.
    Postural rehabilitation – dogs and horses – http://www.posturalrehabvets.com/Postural_Rehabilitation/Find_a_Practitioner.html

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Jana | 10 years ago
How Lose It Typically Take For Diarrhea From Eating Something Wrong To Resolve? (Dog, No…

How lose it typically take for diarrhea from eating something wrong to resolve? (Dog, no other symptoms)

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  1. PK Dennis

    I usually expect diarrhea to resolve within 24 hours, if it lasts more than that I take my pooch to the vet.  Are you sure he/she is not running a temperature?  

  2. Christina Chambreau

    This is a prompt for you to learn some home care techniques that can help in any situation. Also a good prompt to buy some books on holistic care for dogs.  Then you will be able to help your dog quickly move through most problems. 

    I strongly recommend getting some training in understanding the wide range of
    approaches to health so you can be in charge of what you choose for treatments
    for your animals – given by you or by your integrative veterinarian. There are so many different ways to stimulate healing that
    you never need to give up trying to treat any problem. Of course, this time I assume the diarrhea cleared up. When dogs are healthy, though, they can eat almost anything and not get any diarrhea.  From books, on-line and in classes you can
    learn Reiki (which can take the “bad” out of vaccines and any needed
    drugs, or even make food healthier), massage, HTA (healing touch for animals), TTouch, acupressure, flower
    essence therapy, all of which are 100% safe to use for any problems. There are
    many more approaches you can do to help heal your animals with some training
    since they need to be used more carefully – homeopathy, herbal medicine,
    Chinese herbs, aromatherapy. In addition to classes there are many very good
    list serves filled with people experienced with not vaccinating and feeding raw
    meat diets. Classes are found through your health food store, by phone or
    on-line. As with human health approaches, there are many different opinions, so
    you need to experiment and see what makes your animals more or less healthy. 

    I also recommend finding an integrative veterinarian with whom to work, and I know there are some good ones in Montreal. This
    is a person trained in many different approaches, including using conventional
    drugs only when absolutely needed. Working with one can increase the chance
    that your cherished companion can live a long and healthy life after recovering
    from this current problem. There are good ones and great ones, and a few
    homeopathic veterinarians will consult by phone or email. You can go to the web
    sites for each type of holistic practice and use their referral list to find
    one near to you. Many practitioners are members of only one or two of the
    organizations, so you do need to go to every site to find who is near you:
    1. Wide range of other treatments: http://www.AHVMA.org, American Holistic Veterinary
    Medical Association and http://www.civtedu.org.   
    2. Homeopathic veterinarians (these can often help you by phone if no other
    holistic practitioners are nearby that you like): http://www.theAVH.org and
    http://www.DrPitcairn.com.
    3. Chiropractor – http://www.animalchiropractic.org
    4. TCVM (Acupuncture and Chinese medicine): http://www.IVAS.org,
    http://www.avaa.org & http://www.TCVM.com

    5. Herbal
    http://www.VBMA.org

    6. Postural rehabilitation – dogs and horses – http://www.posturalrehabvets.com/Postural_Rehabilitation/Find_a_Practitioner.html

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Pawbly | 10 years ago
I Have A Female Pit Bull Terrier (spayed) That Is 10 Months Old. Pearl…

I have a female pit bull terrier (spayed) that is 10 months old. Pearl generally has a great disposition and gets along well with everyone including other dogs. The “problem” is that she is showing less and less interest in her dog food when first provided to her. And it’s the meaty stuff (Alpo cans)! I’m not too worried because she usually eats it eventually but she often will wait hours. Yes, Pearl is spoiled with treats and bits of human food but it seems so odd that she would rather eat whatever we might be having (e.g. a french fry) than this wet, meaty food. She weighs about 55 pounds and gets one 13 oz can in the morning and one in the evening. She also has a constant supply of dry food in a dish but she just picks at that upon occasion. She has a regular place to eat near where we eat and spend most of our time and her Alpo is given to her each time on a new (clean) dinner plate. We have one cat that ends up eating some of the food and Pearl doesn’t seem to mind. In fact, Pearl seems to be more interested in trying to eat the cat’s plain dry food than her own. In short, she seems to like eating most anything except her own dog food. Thoughts?

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Pawbly | 10 years ago
Toby Is A 3.5 Month Old Tabby.
It’s Not Too Bright In My Apartment.
He’s Eating…

Toby is a 3.5 month old tabby.
It’s not too bright in my apartment.
He’s eating well, pooping well, chasing around after things — seems to be in very good energy.

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  1. Zack Whittaker

    Toby is a 3.5 month old tabby. It’s not too bright in my apartment. He’s eating well, pooping well, chasing around after things — seems to be in very good energy.

  2. Adam Wysocki

    Hi Zack,

    In my experience having rescued many kittens around Toby’s age and younger I’d guess that it’s an eye infection. It’s pretty common in kittens that age (especially if Toby is a rescue) and may actually be a symptom of something else such as a respiratory infection. 

    Young kittens with immune systems that are still developing are more susceptible to infections than older/adult cats.

    The great news is that if it is an eye infection, a trip to the vet for an exam and antibiotics will clear it up in no time. If it’s something other than an eye infection your vet will be able to diagnose and treat that as well. Kittens are incredibly resilient!

    Sounds like you’ve caught it early and will have Toby squint free before you know it!

    Adam

  3. Kate McKelvie

    As Adam said, it could be an infection, or there could be an injury to the eye.  Eye problems can worsen very quickly, and taking Toby to a vet will keep things from snowballing!

    Squinting indicates pain or discomfort…

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tracy | 10 years ago
Why Does My Dog Eat His (or Other Dogs) Poop? I Have A Fairly Large…

Why does my dog eat his (or other dogs) poop? I have a fairly large yard, so I don’t know whose he’s eating..could be his, our other dog or a neighbor. He then comes inside and vomits (the smell is the giveaway as to what he ate)

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  1. Joe Mccollum

    Would you recommend using a shock collar as a training aid?

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Pawbly | 11 years ago
Yesterday, I Switched My Kitten, Si, To Prescription Diet Canned Food. He Seems To…

Yesterday, I switched my kitten, Si, to Prescription Diet canned food. He seems to like the food but he exhibits an odd behavior. When he is done eating, he tries to cover it up as he would if he were in the litter box. Any ideas?

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