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Pawbly | 8 years ago
I Have Sent A Deposit For A Akc Reg. Boxer Pup, Its 4 Weeks…

I have sent a deposit for a akc reg. boxer pup, its 4 weeks old.
the lady sent a pic of it and its underweight only 5 lbs and loss of hair.
Will my puppy be normal weight at adult age ? Will the hair come back?

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  1. Anonymous

    Braise, please read the responses in your first post. Duplicates are not necessary.

  2. Braise Patterson

    Laura , I deleted my first post it made no sense so I deleted it then wrote another one. I don’t see any responses just yours . q

  3. Anonymous

    https://www.pawbly.com/question/deposit-akc-boxer-pup-thats-4-weeks-mother-quit-nursing-puppies-weigh-5-lbs-hair-loss-it-will-puppies-hair-grow-normal-adult-box-weight-grown

    Still visible. The answers provided follow:
    Laura M., dog and cat owner, former reptile rescue owner answered …
    I would contact your local chapter of the Boxer Club of America and ask them about this breeder. Here is the link to the chapter clubs: http://www.americanboxerclub.org/us-boxer-clubs.html

    Krista Magnifico, DVM, Founder of Pawbly answered …
    I don’t know enough about the breeder or the parents to tell you what they are worth. Do you have references on this breeder? Do you know anything about them?

  4. Braise Patterson

    No I don’t a Vet office told me to go to Breeders.net and there should be a Boxer breeder there . The puppies are AKC . What happen the boxer mom all of a sudden stop letting the puppies nurse so the lady has been trying to fed them. She said the momma is starting to let them nurse now . She said the weight loss and hair loss was due to the mom not letting them nurse that the puppies are gaining weight. I know lots of breeders ask for more but paying $ 500.00 I should be getting a healthy pup. I’m wondering if this may effect his growth , all other breeders pups are around 9 lbs, mine is 5 lbs. and will the hair grown back like normal. Thank you for the replies , I will contact local chapter.

  5. Anonymous

    At $500, you’ve not gone to a breeder I’d recommend. Consider this a lesson – avoid crappy breeders. If you only want to spend $500, go through a rescue. The risk of supporting a breeder who will sell you a sickly puppy is too great right now…and when that puppy ends up very ill, that breeder will be nowhere to be found.

    As someone who lost a puppy early, trust me when I say this…you WANT that breeder support if you’re going to go through a breeder.

    Ask for your deposit back. Ask the nearest chapter about reputable rescues that might have puppies, and get on their waiting list(s).

  6. Braise Patterson

    Thank you , Then they should not have a Breeders.net page ,. My parents used to breed full blood collies from champion bloodlines when they first married . Just because they didn’t attach a $ 2500.00 price tag didn’t make the Purebred Collie puppies worthless . Today it’s all about money . I also have been told NOT to go to a high priced breeder because it is all about the money and they will breed the same female as many times in the year to get more puppies on the market . Its like youre saying go to the ghetto’s and get puppies no one wanted ,I’m sure some puppies taken to rescue were puppies from these so called great breeders that thought the puppies didnt meet the breeder’s standards or their purebred female got knocked up by a mutt ( Most likely when this happens they put the female down or in rescue . I have seen Breeders that sold puppies for $ 400.00 or $ 500.00 that came from Champion bloodlines. I myself have seen top notch Dalmatian breeder put the puppies down because one ear was black the other puppies had pink noses some had part black nose part pink, Thanks so much for supporting these over priced breeders that some over breed their dogs. ( notice I said some ) I guess thats why you are labeled ” Dog and cat owner, former rescue owner ” . not a licensed vet or professional . I came here mostly concerned about the puppies health and growth process and thought the vet could answer my concerns. I love what you said ” At $500, you’ve not gone to a breeder I’d recommend ” . and ” As someone who lost a puppy early, trust me when I say this…you WANT that breeder support if you’re going to go through a breeder.” . because for a fact the non refundable $ 300.00 to $ 600.00 deposit WILL not be returned if the puppies were sickly . I will not be coming back to this site and will be sure to tell others not to try get a question answered here. merely a poorly ran blog .

  7. Anonymous

    Braise, I work closely with breeders who health test and title their dogs. They don’t overbreed, they don’t breed sickly dogs (like it sounds like you’ve found). They work heavily in rescue. They produce *maybe* one litter every other year, don’t breed any bitch more than three times, and place puppies very carefully. They stand behind their puppies for the life of those dogs, and will take them back at any point if the owners cannot keep them for any reason.

    The sort of breeder you’ve found is what we’d call a “greeder” or a “backyard breeder” – they breed for easy money and neglect genetic health testing. You’re walking into a ticking time bomb of health and temperament.

    I’m done here. If you want vet advice, call YOUR vet. We are a community-driven website giving out free advice…and few of us are vets.

  8. Braise Patterson

    Sure they all came from God go ahead and support only over priced breeders . good bye thanks just because you couldnt answer the question doesnt mean I went to a bad breeder . good luck giving advice

  9. Anonymous

    God has nothing to do with breeders.

    I support breeders whose puppies don’t end up in rescue. I would never in good conscience encourage anyone else to do so. Insulting me for refusing to bend on that does not reflect highly on you, sir.

  10. Braise Patterson

    backyard greeder thanks my parents raised purebreds they didnt even want to change for the puppies but ask very little for the vet bill etc: $ 1200.00 to $ 2300.00 doesnt make the puppies any better . no matter how many ways you want to say it the price tag doesnt make the puppies any better than another purebred puppy.

  11. Braise Patterson

    but youre not a vet and the vet couldnt answer so thanks for showing your support for over changing for puppies.

  12. Anonymous

    It tells me quite a bit about how much they invested in the litter.

    Boxer genetic health testing is expensive…and is a very basic part of the prebreeding process. http://americanboxerclub.org/health-screening.html

    This is completely ignoring the conformational mess most subpar breeders tend to produce. This is JUST health. What of those tests have your breeder done on their dogs? They should be able to produce documentation.

    I have never – NEVER – met a breeder charging such a small amount for puppies that actually did the required health testing on breeding animals. Have you considered why this might be?

  13. PK Dennis

    Any person in the world can buy a domain address and put up a website. NO ONE you find online selling puppies is a place to spend your money!!! Good breeders have WAITING LISTS for their puppies from folks being referred to them by word-of-mouth from dog clubs, dog shows, people that already own their puppies, friends, neighbors, etc. Don’t expect to get a healthy, well bred puppy from someone advertising on line. And a good, well bred, puppy in this day and age is going to cost well over $1000.00! i say – try and get your money back and then work with rescue to get a healthy puppy of the breed you desire. It may take you up to 6 months, but you will have a puppy that has been health checked and you will know that you saved its life by giving it a home. Don’t encourage this person that is not taking care of the health of their dog and puppies by spending your money there (but it is probably too late to get your money back – anyone so greedy as to take your money sight-unseen is too greedy to give you your money back).

  14. Braise Patterson

    Not always , there are tons of people who breed purebred puppies that have the puppies vet checked the entire time plus gives the buyer the puppies records since birth , some will give a heath guarantee , and people are on waiting list as well . Sure there are bad breeder’s everywhere . Some people do not believe in over changing some care about animals and making things a little easier for people who can’t afford 1200.00 for a pet . Seriously what will you feel like if you pay $ 1200.00 to $ 2300.00 two months down the road it just dies . Even high priced breeders don’t know if a puppy will drop dead . Just like Izzy that came from a high priced breeder was walking around the pond she walked around everyday dropped dead instantly from Cardiomyopathy. She had a clean bill of health every time she went to the vet. You are taking a chance when you buy a animal

  15. Anonymous

    PK, you’re wasting your time.

  16. Braise Patterson

    I still did not get my question answered all you people want to do is yak about breeders , Yes she and you and anyone else can’t make me believe a breeder doesnt have to charge what they do lets say for a boxer , Ive seen price tags for over $ 2000.00 per pup wow that mean out of one litter a breeder will make close to $ 10,000.00 . wow really just under $ 10,000.00 per litter . I told you her puppies were checked out wit clean bill of health from birth until its sold the the new owners responsibility there after. High priced puppies has ended up in rescue as well . You cannot say puppies end up in rescue because of the breeder . I have tried adopting from a rescue , where are any purebred puppies ? some come from puppy mills . I went through ever rescue from Georgia , Alabama , Tennessee , Florida , I did not find a purebred puppy most were aging unwanted boxers and mixed . I tried two times adopting even a 5 year old boxer guess what I was turned down because I did not have a fenced in back yard . We live on 3 acre’s of land no where close to a highway , my boxers are never left alone they do not live and sleep outside . These aging 5 year old and the other two older boxers had plenty of land when I took it out to run and exercise . Let me repeat myself and I am not fibbing they told me because I did not have a fenced in backyard I cannot adopt . I posted on face book Atlanta Boxer rescue after seeing one of the dogs name Jayda photo I posted under her photo. It makes no sense you still have Jayda asking someone to come forward and give Jayda a good home . Why do you ask for people to complete the application , and someone will come out to visit and a person gets turned down due to no fenced in yard then come on face book adverting Boxer needs a home when you do not let people adopt because of no fenced in yard. I am telling you this because Rescue keeps coming up . STOP ! I will say it again why was my questions not answered ?

  17. Anonymous

    Dr. Magnifico answered your question in your other post. The problem is you’re walking into such an unknown situation with these puppies that NO ONE CAN TELL YOU if this puppy will be healthy. If you’d gone to a breeder who did all the health screening I listed in that link, you’d have a better idea of that puppy’s future.

    So yes, you DID get an answer. The answer is a lack of one. Biology is funny like that. If you were willing to listen to what you were told, you’d run away from this person and go elsewhere, but you’re stuck on the price tag.

  18. Braise Patterson

    You people are brainwashed , I am leaving this website and I would have by now but this b.s keeps popping up in my e mail . I will leave here leaving all of you a legitimate website called Consumer Affairs and there are hgh priced breeders that has quite the reputation with the Better Business Bureau . Before I leave you the link I would like to say if I had said I paid $ 1800.00 for a Boxer puppy you people would have been singing a different tune . It also makes me wonder the ones here that are breeders that charges lets say $ 1500.00 for a boxer puppy must be something wrong with your puppies next to the breeder that charges 2800.00 for the same breed of Boxer . Obviously the breeder charging $ 2800.00 for the very same breed of boxer took way much more care and had the puppies texted by a much better vet . too funny ! This consumer report is complaints about breeders association of america inc — heres the link read the complaints —https://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/breeders-association-of-america-inc.html

    This is just a couple of links where breeders have been turned in to the Better Business Bureau . Do your homework people . BBB LINK —-http://www.bbb.org/south-east-florida/business-reviews/pet-services/purebred-breeders-in-cooper-city-fl-22003405/complaints.

    Heres one that you wont know what to say about your amazing such caring breeders—-

    http://www.complaintsboard.com/bysubcategory/dog-breeders.html

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Pawbly | 8 years ago
Puppy Weight Loss And Hair Loss

Are These Puppies Worth $500.00 , Will My Puppy Die…

puppy weight loss and hair loss

Are these puppies worth $500.00 , will my puppy die later ?

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  1. Braise Patterson

    I dont know her a vet let me know she had puppies . She’s always had a good reputation , she only breeds her female 2 times a year , I have not said she was bad , you know how stubborn boxers can be specially being hormonal from having a litter . The mom just walked away and would no nurse , the breeder bottle fed until the female decided to go back nursing. I still havent gotten a answer , If the puppy I am buying lost weight from not being nursed will my puppy have any growth issues or will he keep gaining weight and be at the weight he suppose to be when he reaches adult age? the hair loss due from not being properly nursed will his hair grow back? Funny no one can answer , they are too busy taking up for over pricing animals . I am native american my grandfather said once there is much shame in people selling animals . I know he is old school Sioux , but why can’t people who wants a purebred animal have one even if he can’t hand out 1200.00 for a pet , some people have families to support, Just because he has to support his family doesnt mean he will love his pet any less than someone who paid a high price. My parents was not back yard breeders , they took care of the Dam and the Sire as well as the pregnancy, delivery taking care of the puppies until they were picked up. and a money back guarantee up to I think it was 2 months if no negligence brought on by the buyer. Good night I really wish the blog admin. would delete my profile seems my questions can’t be answered

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Pawbly | 8 years ago
She Has Had 2 Normal Worming Treatments And 1 Stronger One Which Lasted 3 Days…

She has had 2 normal worming treatments and 1 stronger one which lasted 3 days and was taken with chicken and rice. We broke her in gently back to puppy biscuits but today has been really bad. She has had 4 runny poos in 1 hour. And 2 contained blood. She seems happy enough but has definitely been more naughty this evening. Biting and running around.

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  1. Krista Magnifico

    hello,
    I am sorry but your question was lost when the site was updated. I hope that she was seen by a vet and is better now. Any young puppy diarrhea needs to be seen by a vet asap. again our apologies for the delay.

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Pawbly | 8 years ago
Why Does Our New Puppy (12 Weeks Old) Eat His Own Poop? How Can I…

Why does our new puppy (12 weeks old) eat his own poop? How can I stop yhat?

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  1. Anonymous

    Clean it up IMMEDIATELY.  Redirect when he starts to eat it.  Don’t leave him in the yard by himself and supervise closely (you should do this anyway).  I would talk with your vet to make sure he’s eating a proper diet for his breed and age, as well.

  2. PK Dennis

    This is just something that puppies do, especially if they come from puppy mills.

    The only thing that truly works is getting to the poop before he does. Take him out to poo on a leash and move him away from h I should stool before he can eat it, and then pick up and dispose of it so it isn’t available later.

    He will most likely grow out of this behavior.

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Pawbly | 8 years ago
What Do I Start Feeding A Bottle Fed Puppy At 4 Weeks?

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  1. julie brader

    Hello Bettye, there are a few foods you can use to wean the puppies.

    A lot of people use baby rice but mix it with goats milk, dogs cannot digest cows milk.

    You don’t say what breed the puppies are but for my Cocker Spaniel puppies I used to give then a walnut size ball of raw minced steak once s day.

    Do some research on the internet and you’ll find lots of advice on what to feed puppies of your breed/size. Good luck!

  2. Dawn Ferara, DVM

    I would get a good quality puppy kibble and soften it with the puppy milk.  Good Luck

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Pawbly | 8 years ago
How Do I Find Out How Old My Puppy Is

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  1. PK Dennis

    You take him/her to a well puppy vet appointment and the vet will be able to give you a good idea based on its teeth.  Here is an article that talks about how the vet makes an educated guess: http://www.dogster.com/lifestyle/how-can-you-tell-how-old-a-dog-puppy-is-age-determine-ask-vet

    But really – every puppy should see a vet within a few days (3 at most) of arriving at your home.  There are shots the puppy needs to stay healthy, the vet can give you an idea of age, answer questions about diet, tell you if the puppy is healthy or if you have problems brewing.  So set up the appointment now.

    Congratulations on your new family member!

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Pawbly | 8 years ago
First Of All, Let Me Clarify That My Dog Was Not Adopted & Has Been…

First of all, let me clarify that my dog was not adopted & has been raised by myself since she was a puppy so there was no previous abuse. She is my 1st actual pet & her name is Charlie & she is about 5 years old, so yes she was around before my boyfriend. When I first got her I did a lot of research on how to train her and the things I found were very successful, such as, how to housebreak a dog (which took surprisingly no time at all), positive reinforcement, & most importantly how to train your dog how to behave around all types of people. In order to make her comfortable around people I exposed her from the very start to people of different sexes & ethnicities, groups of people, and various ages (so she would be comfortable around my toddler nieces & nephews). To me it seemed this training worked because she loved to have company and would go up to any person male or female. I actually think that she liked my male friends more. She was also great with the toddlers she would let them chase her then turn around and chase them and never harm them & they love her. Whenever I see my nieces and nephews they always ask me where’s Charlie? She still behaves well around others & gladly approaches them, even complete strangers. The trouble started about 3 1/2 years ago when I started dating my current boyfriend. At first, she acted totally normal around him, for example, she would play with him, sit in his lap, etc. I think the real problem began when she realized that my boyfriend was not going anywhere when we moved in together. Ever since then, she has acted terrified of him & I don’t know why it happened since they hit it off at 1st. She cowers & trembles if he gets too close to her (which usually isn’t on purpose, he gives her the space she needs). Sometimes it seems like she’s trying purposefully to get him in trouble like a doggy tattletale. For example, when this first began & still to this day, whenever she would walk past my boyfriend she would make a yelping sound and run past him especially if I was in another room to make me think he hurt her. Every time I have caught her doing that my boyfriend was no where near her, sitting down, or in what I think is a non-threatening position. I do not comfort her when she behaves this way as it is not appropriate. The situation is so bad that she will not even allow my bf to open the door to let her outside to go potty but she will still sleep in the bed with us just not near him. I feel like we’ve tried a lot of things like having my bf feed her & give her treats but this has not worked! I mean she would eat the food & take the treats but still has nothing to do with him!! The situation is so bad that I cannot even leave her with my bf when I have to go out of town for work because like I said she won’t go outside for him! My mother usually is the one that ends up having to watch my dog when I’m out of town. Which is fine because my mother loves Charlie but she shouldn’t have to do that I would prefer for her to be comfortable at home with my bf. If my BF gets home from work before I do, then he opens her kennel door for her so she can come out & play in the house but instead she cowers in the open cage like she is in trouble until I get home then comes out. I don’t think that my bf has ever harmed her when I wasn’t around but I wouldn’t know if I wasn’t there. He knows I have a certain way of disciplining her & respects that so he’s never done any disciplining that I’ve seen nor do I think he wants to since the situation is already out of hand. He is unhappy about the situation as much as I am because he wants her to be happy too. It really bums us out. Especially since other dogs seem to love him. I wonder if it all boils down to jealousy. She’s not super overprotective of me like some dogs are. I try to give her the same amount of attention & keep to her routine. I do NOT use any physical punishment, if she does something bad I tell her to go to her room/kennel (with the door open) & she stays there until I call her back from what I call “time out.” Why is she acting like this & how can we stop this from happening? She’s my baby and my BF & I want us 3 to be a happy family! Please, please help!!!

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  1. PK Dennis

    So, there are just so many things wrong about your understanding of how a dog’s mind works in your description that I barely know where to start.  Dogs don’t purposefully try to get humans into trouble like a tattletale.  They are not that evolved.

    The points that you have made indicate to me that this dog is truly afraid of the boyfriend – some thing he did years ago convinced her that she should be worried about him, and that has snowballed to what you see today.  It may have been something as innocent as he stepped on her toes by accident.  Dogs read body language and facial expressions better than we humans – and something as small as a look at her could compound her fear.  

    This is a very frustrating situation for you, and for the BF – you are both probably giving off negative energy without knowing it!  She is picking up on the human frustration and it will only get worse if you don’t get some professional help.

    And NOTHING you can do will solve this problem.  It is a matter between your BF and your dog.  So, you need to find a behaviorist that will come to your home and work with you, the BF and the dog.  The behaviorist will be able to observe the dog and how you both interact with her and help you all find solutions to correct the situation.  It is going to be a matter of your BF building trust with the dog.  And since we can’t be there to watch the interaction, this forum isn’t going to be of much help other than by pointing you to professional, in-the-home, aid.

    So, find someone that does positive training that can come to your home, and that you and your BF like so you can help your girl have the life she deserves – comfortable in her own home.

  2. Brittany Jacobs

    Thank you very much for your advice PK Dennis. I would love to have a behavioral therapist come to our home but the facts are even if I could find one in the immediate area, I couldn’t afford one hence the forum. Also PK, if you really want to help pet owners you probably shouldn’t start off with an insult or people are not likely to take your advice seriously. I’ve obviously stated that I’ve done extensive research on the topic as indicated in the post. I have seen other forums where advice was given & was lead to believe PAWBLY was one that might actually help. I am quite aware that dogs aren’t evolved enough to “tattletale” & that you can’t be here to see my dog’s behavior that’s why I described my dog’s actions. I have never done a forum before & if I wasn’t desperate I wouldn’t have come here. I am very aware that dogs since emotions & energies. Since neither the bf or pet are going anywhere anytime soon I need advice even if you cannot offer anything else. I’m specifically looking for people who have gone through similar situations & could offer any suggestions that helped in their personal situation that we could try!

  3. PK Dennis

    Good luck with that – you need a trainer/behaviorist. Three and a half years – you haven’t solved it by now, you aren’t the going to be able to solve it on your own. Offer to barter with a trainer – clean Thier house, clean their kennel, what ever it takes to get the eyes and hands on help your dog needs to feel secure in her own home.

  4. Frankie Delise

    A dogs only going to be terrified of someone if that someone has hurt the dog id rethink thinking it’s the dog and not leave the boyfriend around the dog unsupervised

  5. Brittany Jacobs

    Well I have found 1 behavioral therapist in my area & she’s still an hour away. It’s pretty expensive since she’s like the only one in this area but I’ve emailed her in hopes of a barter. From what I’ve read she does in home therapy but I don’t know if she’ll drive this far. I feel like if I take my dog to her it may not work as well. It would feel like a trip to the vet for her, she would smell the fear and start shaking & shedding. Wish me luck! On a better note, when I told my partner my wish to have an a behavioral therapist come to our home to help them I feel like he’s made more of an effort to earn the dog’s trust. I feel like when I told him I posted on this forum for help it really struck home to him that I don’t just want to have to deal with the situation I want it to be better. I don’t know why posting for help is any different than our talks about the situation prior to my posting but whatever. Maybe he doesn’t want a stranger in our home. Oh well, that’s a temporary fear, my price, & a possible end to my Charlie’s fear!!! I’ve noticed some improvements since then! The two have been playing for sure whereas before she wouldn’t come near him & yesterday she came up to him! Granted it was no lap call but she let him pet her. I just feel like if he’s more onboard with the idea it will work better. I mean for a while I feel he had given up on mending their relationship. I think what scares her the most is bf’s voice he would never intentionally harm her. He talk too loud because he’s had a lot of hearing loss from his time in Iraq. We’ve been working on that in the meantime too & it helps but it is hard for him to know when his tone gets louder. I’m happier with the results so far but foster hopes that the therapist will understand & barter to come to our home.

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Pawbly | 8 years ago
My Dog Had Puppies At 3:30a.m.and Have Not Had Any More Seizures And It’s 12:44…

My dog had puppies at 3:30a.m.and have not had any more seizures and it’s 12:44 AM is this normal I can feel it she has and have not had any more seizures and it’s 12:44 AM is this normal I can feel that she has another popular

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  1. Anonymous

    I don’t consider it normal for a dog to have seizures while whelping…and I’m not sure why you bred a dog prone to seizures?  Any questions about the dam or the whelping itself should be directed to your reproductive vet.

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Pawbly | 8 years ago
Hi, My Puppy Was Jumping Up On Me And I Went To Get Her Down…

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