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Jennifer Taylor | 10 years ago
This Puppy Is The Last Of A Large Litter, He Was One Of The Only…

This puppy is the last of a large litter, he was one of the only ones who would keep a clean crate/puppy pen. When the ground froze he discovered the practice of eating poo when he was outside in our fenced in yard. He was neutered a week and a half ago and we thought it would be an opportune time to remedy the poo eating issue since we had to leash walk him. He now refuses to poo outside, we do take him out every 1-2 hours and give a high value treat for pottying outside. He will go in his crate immediately after coming in and will immediately eat it. It almost seems that since I won’t allow him to eat what is in the yard he is just going to make his own snack. I will add that he is a very quick learner, he learned sit and down in an evening. He is very driven by treats and praise. He will urinate outside and looks to me for a treat and praise as he is going. He does not like to be in a messy crate, we know almost the moment it is soiled as he barks/whines and we clean it up. He will only poo in his crate, I do tether housetraining pups to me to eliminate the possibility of accidents (I try to set them up for success) and he has not accidents in the house. He will poo in his crate once I have exited the room where his crate is. I of course can smell the moment he goes, I run in the room and catch him eating it. I have gone as far as letting him out to potty in a pen thinking maybe he does not want to potty with an audience, I watch from a nearby slider but have only “caught” him pooing outside twice in a week and a half, both times I was able to deliver praise and a high value treat as soon as he was done. Lastly his crate is appropriately sized for him, it is a wire folding style crate that is just tall enough for him, he has enough room to lay, stretch out and turn around. This is something I would like to rectify as I know it will be a potential problem in a forever home.

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  1. Anonymous

    Your puppy is just being a ……puppy!  Sometimes the art of pet parenting is like the TV show Survivor–Outwit, Outsmart, Outlast.  

    Be diligent in cleaning up after your puppy poo’s. Do not give him the chance to play with or eat poo. Try placing the puppy on a leash when you take him outside to relieve himself, and do not allow him to inspect his poo. Distract him from by calling him to you, and when he responds appropriately, reward him with a treat and verbal encouragement (go crazy and act like he is the BEST PUPPY ON THE PLANET!) and then take him inside before you go back to pick it up.

    If he hates poo’ing on the leash this is where the “Outlast” portion of the program comes into play. You just have to wander around the yard with him until he does it.  

     

    Some have found that adding meat tenderizer or natural additives to the puppy’s food makes a big difference, since these additives cause the stool to have a particularly unappealing smell that will discourage him from eating it. If you cannot immediately clean up the stool, or if there are some old stool piles in your yard, you can spray it with hot pepper sauce or mouth wash. It is  more effective to just clean up after the puppy.

    A good resource for puppy training is The Complete Idiots Guide to Dog Training.  You can check it out of your local library.  Good luck!!

  2. PK Dennis

    Walking helps the bowels move.  How about taking him on a walk when he comes out of his crate, and after he eats his meals.  The walking will get him eliminating and you will have him on a leash to control his movements while you pick up the poop.  This may work faster/better than turning him out in the yard and waiting, or wandering around the yard while he decides if he is going to poop or not.

    It may also be so exciting to be out and about that he forgets he wants to poop inside where he can snack.

    Good luck!

  3. Jennifer Taylor Post author

    Thank you for the suggestions. I actually had given more info in the details when I posted that I am doing all of these. This isn’t a typical housebreaking issue but more of a compulsion to eat stool. The issue of eliminating in his crate began AFTER I restricted him from eating poo outside. In the past year alone I have fostered 30 puppies, all were well on their way to being housetrained when they were adopted. As a board member of a local rescue and seasoned foster I provide support to adoptive families on the subject of house training. My approach to house training is to set a dog up for success eliminating the possibility for accidents and rewarding appropriate elimination. I vary my method according to the dog as not all dogs respond to the same method. I have had great success with training dogs who have come from horrendous living conditions, spending months in their own waste.

  4. Anonymous

    There are products out there to make the poo taste bad and most of them (I believe) have the main ingredient of MSG, which is the same thing as meat tenderizer. Dr. Foster and Smith has a product called Dis-Taste, but I’m sure there are others. If a dose of MSG isn’t harmful, give it a shot!

  5. Brian Downie

    Hello Jennifer. My Great Dane did this and then my Golden Retriever starting doing it. Learned behavior? I agree with Dr. Mag’s suggestions. I taught the leave it command and do not leave them unattended when it is ‘potty time.’ I tried to read a lot of remedies for this issue. What I found was mixed reviews on the food additives to deter the poop eating. I read about nutritional deficits and remedies. What I read and think was going on with mine was most dogs like to keep their play and living areas clean. Sometimes when a mother has a new litter, she will demonstrate this issue to keep the area clean for her pups. I too have a fenced in back yard which doubles as their play area when I cannot take them out in the unfenced area. I taught the leave it command and keep the area clean of feces. Somehow, imo, your dog has associated the crate pooping as safe but then cleans the area since it is his ‘safe spot.’ It took a few weeks to dissuade my dogs from doing this. Still, if I am not diligent about watching over them and keeping the area clean, the issue will persist. Your reaction whether positive or negative outside, may be influencing what the dog believes to be ok so he returns to his ‘safe’ area and only poops when he thinks you are not paying attention (because of your reactoin?) then gobbles the tasty morsel up for maybe cleaning? I found with my dogs when there is an unwanted behavior/issue the best reaction is no reaction. Remember, running to the crate to stop him may be interpreted as him doing something wrong so he tries to ‘destroy’ the evidence. It is learned somehow.

    An anecdote. My very sensitive Great Dane when she was young had what I perceived to be separation anxiety when my wife and I would leave. We would come home and rugs would be chewed, pillows destroyed, etc. I would come in and immediately react, negatively. I posted on here and in short, the response was it was my fault. I was at first offended thinking I was a great doggy parent, but then I thought about it. My Dane associated our leaving with her getting negatively in trouble when we came home. This caused her great stress and her acting out was a reaction to fear and anticipation. I quickly changed my behavior. When I came home I would simply clean up what was destroyed and before leaving I would remove anything I could. I did not react. She would cower in her chair while I cleaned. I simply went about my business without noticing her. When I was done, once she came out of her chair, I acknowledged her and said hello. It was my responsibility to break the association, not the behavior. It took a little time, but we became successful. Now when we leave, we make it no big deal. When we come home, it is not a big deal. She isn’t afraid of us leaving and her ‘just’ getting in trouble when we come home. We no longer come home to destroyed items or a fearful dog. I personified her hiding in her chair with her knowing she did something wrong. Nope. I taught her that when we come home I would yell at her so she anticipated that with great stress and fear.

    Maybe, without knowing it, we teach our dogs to do negative things. The hard part is realizing and accepting it then correcting OUR behavior.

    Good Luck!!!

  6. Brian Downie

    ” The issue of eliminating in his crate began AFTER I restricted him from eating poo outside.” Maybe he learned it is not ok to poop outside?

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Pawbly | 10 years ago
Three Weeks Ago We Transitioned Our Siberian Husky From Proplan To Blue Wilderness And Since…

Three weeks ago we transitioned our Siberian husky from proplan to blue wilderness and since Monday he has had loose stool and last night he had diarrhea twice and the second time was real bad. What should I do to calm him belly down?

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  1. Cheryl Rosso

    We changed from proplan to blue because we heard good things and we wanted to feed our 3 dogs better but now maybe not such a good idea.

  2. Anonymous

    i have to be honest…i used to feed blue wilderness.  i LOVED that food…until they changed the formulation.  it caused serious problems for my IBD-sufferer cat, so i stopped feeding it.  it caused him uncontrollable diarrhea.  my other cat also starting having bouts of diarrhea after the change, so i switched to Wellness.

    maybe try Wellness CORE?  we have had quite a bit of success with it.

  3. Cheryl Rosso

    Laura- that’s what one of my friends said too that they changed the ingredients. My husky could not stomach the blue so now we’re dealing with diarrhea bland diet and reintroduce what we use to feed them.

  4. Anonymous

    i’d say it’s been about 3 years? basically, when they started advertising heavily on TV and in the papers, it was immediately after they were purchased by another company. that’s when they changed the recipe…and it’s a shame, because it used to be a great food.

    other options i’d consider: Horizon Pulsar, Costco’s Kirkland grain-free, Merrick (this didn’t work well for my dog but it does for many others, and it’s very affordable), Acana and Orijen (though these may be too rich…tread lightly here). if you hit Pet Valu up in Perry Hall, they should have free sample bags of some things to try.

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Jana | 10 years ago
How Long For Drontal Plus To Kill Tapeworm And Could The Death Of The Worm…

How long for Drontal Plus to kill tapeworm and could the death of the worm cause stomach upset? (no vomiting, just upset)

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Steve Hatchett | 10 years ago
Normally Scout Is Feed Separately With (dry) Purina Pro Plan.

When We Are Away They…

Normally Scout is feed separately with (dry) Purina Pro Plan.

When we are away they are both given the DM due to consideration to Tux and the inability to separate the food and the cats.

So my question is could the potential of having Scout switch between Pro Plan and DM once a week, lead to the UTI. She hates the DM and of course the Pro Plan is less costly.

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  1. Steve Hatchett Post author

    Scout was treated at JVC. I don’t know the particulars of the UTI results. Tux is fed nothing but canned DM (purchased at JVC). The only variation is if we are out for the day and the time of dosage of the insulin may be delayed as well as the Pro Plan feeding. In consideration of the diabetic needs the DM dry is available to Tux. Since it is more appropriate for Scout to eat the DM than Tux to eat the Pro Plan, Scout will eat the DM. The wet food may be gobbled up by both cats and the next feeding and insulin may be delayed leaving them with nothing in the meanwhile.

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Dawn Gillispie | 10 years ago
I Am At Work But, My Husband Is At Home And Just Called Saying He…

I am at work but, my husband is at home and just called saying he gave Paige, our Boxer her Heartgard and she vomited about 30 minutes later. He cannot tell if the Heartgard was in the vomit or not. Is it safe to give her another one later or tomorrow?

Thank you,
Dawn Gillispie

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Jana | 10 years ago
How Lose It Typically Take For Diarrhea From Eating Something Wrong To Resolve? (Dog, No…

How lose it typically take for diarrhea from eating something wrong to resolve? (Dog, no other symptoms)

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  1. PK Dennis

    I usually expect diarrhea to resolve within 24 hours, if it lasts more than that I take my pooch to the vet.  Are you sure he/she is not running a temperature?  

  2. Christina Chambreau

    This is a prompt for you to learn some home care techniques that can help in any situation. Also a good prompt to buy some books on holistic care for dogs.  Then you will be able to help your dog quickly move through most problems. 

    I strongly recommend getting some training in understanding the wide range of
    approaches to health so you can be in charge of what you choose for treatments
    for your animals – given by you or by your integrative veterinarian. There are so many different ways to stimulate healing that
    you never need to give up trying to treat any problem. Of course, this time I assume the diarrhea cleared up. When dogs are healthy, though, they can eat almost anything and not get any diarrhea.  From books, on-line and in classes you can
    learn Reiki (which can take the “bad” out of vaccines and any needed
    drugs, or even make food healthier), massage, HTA (healing touch for animals), TTouch, acupressure, flower
    essence therapy, all of which are 100% safe to use for any problems. There are
    many more approaches you can do to help heal your animals with some training
    since they need to be used more carefully – homeopathy, herbal medicine,
    Chinese herbs, aromatherapy. In addition to classes there are many very good
    list serves filled with people experienced with not vaccinating and feeding raw
    meat diets. Classes are found through your health food store, by phone or
    on-line. As with human health approaches, there are many different opinions, so
    you need to experiment and see what makes your animals more or less healthy. 

    I also recommend finding an integrative veterinarian with whom to work, and I know there are some good ones in Montreal. This
    is a person trained in many different approaches, including using conventional
    drugs only when absolutely needed. Working with one can increase the chance
    that your cherished companion can live a long and healthy life after recovering
    from this current problem. There are good ones and great ones, and a few
    homeopathic veterinarians will consult by phone or email. You can go to the web
    sites for each type of holistic practice and use their referral list to find
    one near to you. Many practitioners are members of only one or two of the
    organizations, so you do need to go to every site to find who is near you:
    1. Wide range of other treatments: http://www.AHVMA.org, American Holistic Veterinary
    Medical Association and http://www.civtedu.org.   
    2. Homeopathic veterinarians (these can often help you by phone if no other
    holistic practitioners are nearby that you like): http://www.theAVH.org and
    http://www.DrPitcairn.com.
    3. Chiropractor – http://www.animalchiropractic.org
    4. TCVM (Acupuncture and Chinese medicine): http://www.IVAS.org,
    http://www.avaa.org & http://www.TCVM.com

    5. Herbal
    http://www.VBMA.org

    6. Postural rehabilitation – dogs and horses – http://www.posturalrehabvets.com/Postural_Rehabilitation/Find_a_Practitioner.html

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Pawbly | 10 years ago
My 8 Month Old Old English Sheepdog Shirley Gets Extremely Car Sick Every Time She…

My 8 month old Old English Sheepdog Shirley gets extremely car sick every time she goes for a ride. FYI at most the ride is 15 minutes. Excessive niagra falls drooling and vomiting. HELP. Otherwise she is perfection ❤️

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  1. Kelly Furgason

    Also try no driving trips where you just have her get in and out of the car without it running,and give lots of praise. Such a cute photo!!

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Jana | 10 years ago
Cookie Has A Bit Of A Squinty Eye Today And Hubby’s Not Here We Already…

Cookie has a bit of a squinty eye today and hubby’s not here We already have Maxitrol drops which she got for “general care” because she kept having white discharge from both eyes in the morning. How much do I worry about the squinty eye?

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Pawbly | 10 years ago
Toby Is A 3.5 Month Old Tabby.
It’s Not Too Bright In My Apartment.
He’s Eating…

Toby is a 3.5 month old tabby.
It’s not too bright in my apartment.
He’s eating well, pooping well, chasing around after things — seems to be in very good energy.

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  1. Zack Whittaker

    Toby is a 3.5 month old tabby. It’s not too bright in my apartment. He’s eating well, pooping well, chasing around after things — seems to be in very good energy.

  2. Adam Wysocki

    Hi Zack,

    In my experience having rescued many kittens around Toby’s age and younger I’d guess that it’s an eye infection. It’s pretty common in kittens that age (especially if Toby is a rescue) and may actually be a symptom of something else such as a respiratory infection. 

    Young kittens with immune systems that are still developing are more susceptible to infections than older/adult cats.

    The great news is that if it is an eye infection, a trip to the vet for an exam and antibiotics will clear it up in no time. If it’s something other than an eye infection your vet will be able to diagnose and treat that as well. Kittens are incredibly resilient!

    Sounds like you’ve caught it early and will have Toby squint free before you know it!

    Adam

  3. Kate McKelvie

    As Adam said, it could be an infection, or there could be an injury to the eye.  Eye problems can worsen very quickly, and taking Toby to a vet will keep things from snowballing!

    Squinting indicates pain or discomfort…

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Pawbly | 10 years ago
Anyone Out There Have Experience With Puppy Strangles. Our Purebred Doberman Pup Has Developed It…

Anyone out there have experience with puppy strangles. Our purebred Doberman pup has developed it at 5mos. How long does it take on prednisone and antibiotics to see a marked improvement in the lymph glands in his neck. They are huge!

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  1. Elizabeth Lawson-Sullivan

    I read your blog on Beau. It’s just a frustrating illness, because results take awhile. Ozzie is only our Veterinarians 2nd case of puppy strangles in her 30+Yr career. Her first case was just 6 mos. ago on an imported pup. Last night marked 1 wk. on prednisone & antibiotics, we 2 or those days being the double dose increase. Marked improvement over night last night! So thankful. His chops and eye area, have gone way down. And the fever has finally broke! I am thankful for your site Krista.